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Nokia 5800 XpressMusic Review: Three Months with the 5800

Nokia 5800 XpressMusic with some rubber ducks

 

Long Term Review: Three Months with the Nokia 5800 XpressMusic

As almost everyone else on the AAS team has written about their experiences with the 5800, I thought I would add my tuppenceworth. This is all based on having used the 5800 as a primary day-to-day phone for the past three months, and this is all personal opinion which does not necessarily represent that of the site as a whole.

The intricate details of the phone have been covered quite a bit on All About Symbian and elsewhere, so this article will instead concentrate on what particularly stands out on the 5800 in the opinion of this writer.

(If you want more detailed info on the 5800, take a look at AAS's multipart 5800 (p)review by Rafe Blandford, an alternative 5800 review by Steve Litchfield, Ewan Spence's travels with the 5800 series, and AAS's 5800 tutorials for beginners.)

 

Homestarrunner.com on the Nokia 5800's browser

The 5800's web browser can display Flash-based websites (the one seen here is homestarrunner.com)

 

Stuff that I really liked about the Nokia 5800 (in no particular order):

 

Nokia 5800 compared with N95 8GB and N78

The 5800 is about the same size as a normal phone. The photo above compares it to the N95 8GB (on the left) and the N78 (on the right). (Photo courtesy of Rafe)

 

Stuff I didn't like (in no particular order):

 

Bounce on the 5800 through TV Out

The 5800's built-in game Bounce Touch, viewed on a large screen through the TV Out feature (Photo courtesy of Rafe)

 

Overall

Despite some flaws, I think this is a great little phone overall, and it is an example of Nokia doing what it does best, putting a lot of good stuff into a compact package at a reasonable price. As such, it's very much in the tradition of the Nokia 6120 Classic, 5310 XpressMusic, 6300 or even (for those with long memories!) the 3310.

The 5800 isn't the highest spec Nokia, and there are more expensive phones out there which are better in many ways. But at 280 euros plus taxes for the unlocked 5800 (even cheaper if you buy it in the UK or USA), this is by far the best value-for-money smartphone so far. There has never been such a solid combination of hardware and software on a mobile device at this price level, and on top of that the imminent launch of Ovi Store will further add to the 5800's attractions by providing a built-in application and content shop.

Because it's Nokia's first touchscreen smartphone for five years, many have compared the 5800 with the iPhone. However, such comparisons are somewhat misleading because these two devices aren't really in direct competition. As a lot of people have pointed out, the 5800 costs half the price of the iPhone, and the 5800 is available through a much more flexible range of options (it's on all networks, on cheap contracts and on prepaid/pay-as-you-go, and is also available unlocked/unbranded/SIM-free). If you absolutely want to make a comparison, the 5800 is much more of a "people's phone", as it's far easier to buy and it costs far less. In the history of consumer products, the 5800 is following in the footsteps of the Ford Model T car or the Commodore 64 home computer, where value for money is a central part of the attraction.

After three months of use, it becomes obvious that Nokia's clearly spent a lot of time polishing the new S60 interface and on making it stable, much more than they have on previous S60 updates. It's not 100% perfect yet, but it's far more stable than the N95 was on its early firmware, and S60 5th Edition is much easier to use than S60 3rd Edition. There have already been two firmware updates for the 5800 at the time of writing (v21 is due as this article was being edited for publication - Ed), and the 5800's sales of three million devices in its first three months virtually guarantee that we will be seeing lots more firmware updates in the future (hopefully including fixes for the problems mentioned earlier).

Some will turn their noses up at the 5800, compare it to more expensive phones and claim that price isn't an issue. However, in the real world, for most of us, price is THE issue. The number one factor affecting a person's phone purchases is which price category the phone belongs to, and even if you're buying a phone on contract the total real cost of the hardware will determine the size of the monthly fee (because contracts are essentially just ways to buy a phone in installments). Nokia is greatly raising the bar for devices around the 300 euro mark. I can't think of any phone at this price that comes close to the 5800's abilities, certainly not from a big name manufacturer. Considering the current economic climate, this is potentially the right phone in the right place at the right time.

If you're looking for a cutting edge Symbian camera phone, you should probably look at the Nokia N82 or Samsung Innov8, or wait for the Nokia N97, N86 or Samsung Omnia HD. The 5800 isn't a great camera phone.

But if you're looking for a good all-rounder, a cheap and durable no-nonsense companion on your travels, with good multimedia, navigation, and internet capabilities, then the 5800 is a very strong candidate indeed.

Tzer2's Score: 90%

 

(PS: I've left the question of third party applications uncovered in this review, as Ovi Store is about to launch next month and should give us a proper idea of what the 5800's application ecosystem will be like. AAS will of course be giving Ovi Store a review of its own, and I may update this article to look at Ovi Store in the context of the 5800.)

 

(PPS: As a little bonus, here are some screenshots of the 5800 in action...)

 

Valentine's Day theme on the Nokia 5800Dark theme on the Nokia 5800

Valentine's Day theme on the Nokia 5800 menuDark theme on the Nokia 5800 menu

Customised themes on the 5800

 

Satellite navigation on the Nokia 5800Satellite navigation on the Nokia 5800

GPS satellite navigation on the Nokia 5800

 

The Nokia 5800's Podcasting applicationThe Nokia 5800's Podcasting application

The 5800's Podcasting application lets you browse and subscribe to podcasts on the phone itself

 

Web browser in normal mode on the Nokia 5800Web browser in full screen mode on the Nokia 5800

The 5800's web browser in normal and full screen modes

 

E-mail accounts in the Messaging applicationNew e-mail on Nokia 5800 XpressMusic

The 5800 can automatically check for new POP and IMAP e-mail at regular intervals and display text message style alerts when new mail arrives

 

Nokia 5800 XpressMusic multitasking menu

The 5800's multitasking menu which lets you switch between applications that are running simultaneously

Published by Tzer2 at 17:07 UTC, April 21st 2009

Categories: Hardware
Platforms: Series 60, S60 5th Edition

News Discussion

billjin
Comment: One of the reason I didn't change to 5800 is that I was confused by click and double-click in application navigator and in some applications, and unpredictable. Aren't you confused?
N/A
Comment: FWIW,

One thing that might help is, if you don't think of it as "double-click" at all, because it really isn't about double-clicking.

It is more of select/highlight object/element/item (button, menu, list item), and then take (default) action.

So it is just a "touchified" S60 where instead of using the directional key to scroll to select/highlight an item, and then press the center key for the (default) action, you select the "item" directly via touch (no scrolling) and then touch the "item" again for the action.
tecfre
Comment: [quote=billjin;417359]One of the reason I didn't change to 5800 is that I was confused by click and double-click in application navigator and in some applications, and unpredictable. Aren't you confused?[/quote]
I really dont understand the confusion created by people everywhere. Nokia 5800 has a focus driven UI. If the menu item is already focused, it will require another click to go thru, else you will require two clicks.
Tell me one thing , how you got used to single click and double click used in your desktop computer ?? You shud have prevented yourself from buying a computer then ...

Coming back to the point, can you guys post an article on how to re-calibrate nokia batteries ?? I think, I didnt charge my Nokia 5800 fully during the first charge and now the battery is getting horrible.

Moreover, I have posted my disappointments on nokia 5800
tecfre.com/nokia-5800-review-conclusion-and-things-lacking
Unregistered
Comment: Confusion over click and double click? About 30 seconds.

The findings in this article are my findings, all the fundamentally important stuff to a phone user are covered. The ergomics as a normal phone, the durability, the pocketability. It's performance as a normal phone, not to mention the excellent price.

The flaws are restricted to the more trivial functionality, and although it doesn't have the flouncy dressing of some other phones, the core stuff is solid and for me there isn't another phone.
BOC
Comment: I've been using a 5800 for about three months now too, and I have to agree with all of Tzer2's good points - I'm really happy with it overall.

But there are two additional negatives that I have to add to his list (both of which have been mentioned elsewhere).

First, the screen really isn't very good at all in direct sunlight (or even on a bright day outside) - a known problem with resistive touchscreens, but it does seem particularly bad on the 5800.

Second, I know it's not the N97, but the 5800 is a bit slow - and not just on 3D games. If you've got more than a couple of applications open, responsiveness to commands really does become sluggish, and typing with your finger really does become hit and miss. These are the times when I, at least, need to use the stylus.

Overall, though, a great little phone.

BOC
Unregistered
Comment: It's nice and informative review of nokia 5800 xpress music. The details are quite interesting and bounds to read full article. Nice work
kenniball
Comment: Single and double click is not a major confusion in s60 v5. You may just have thought of iPhone's implementation, but double click has its purpose. The s60 allows you to highlight an item and do something with that through the Option button.

I agree with most of the highlights in the review. But though it's not satisfying with the lack of 3D accelerator, this is a more of a Music phone and a phone itself. Camera will be another consideration, so if I am after for a better camera, I would wait for N97, or maybe N86, though Xenon is absent.
hargs48
Comment: I agree fully with the review,I am very satisfied with my 5800XM and expect many firmware updates to arrive that also allow further enhancements.

At the price and with the full box contents, the package as a whole is unbeatable.

A large number of my top S60 V3 apps works solid as well.

In day-to-day to use the phone and UI is very speedy,with heavier multitasking it tends to slow down,also note that the free RAM on startup (around 45mb) is a lots less than then S60 phones that have 128mb RAM.
I am assuming the less RAM is due to the OS & transition effects...

All in all,well done Nokia...:icon14:
richersiamon
Comment: Gray would have been cool :) Got my blue one(which was hard to find, because there was almost only red ones in stores) 2 weeks ago here in Finland. Maybe in the future I will manage to somehow change the color of stripe by painting it or taking the stripe off and putting own made stripe there 8).........
Unregistered
Comment: Of course the phone is value for money, but there's still a few things that bother me; The biggest one being the text entry, which I personally think is crap and counterproductive.

Why on earth does the UI have to open a whole new text entry box along with the keyboard? And why doesn't the keyboard appear by default when you enter things that require text input?
For instance, entering a new calendar entry requires you to open the calendar and select New Meeting. The cursor will then be blinking in the subject field of your new entry, but you have to "click" it to enter text, then "OK" the text for the subject to return to your calendar entry. Then select location, "click" once more to open text entry for location, "OK" that one, highlight and then select starting time, edit and "OK", and on, and on, and on...

Instead I'd like it more to function as other Touchscreen phones, where the keyboard appears (and occupies) the lower half of the screen, allowing you to switch through fields on the upper half without going back and forth between different screens.

At the moment the 5800 seem like an amputated N97, where the OS (S60v5) is built for the latter, and the text entry options seem like something they had to throw in due to the lack of physical text entry modes.
Tzer2
Comment: [quote]Why on earth does the UI have to open a whole new text entry box along with the keyboard?[/quote]

Don't worry, it doesn't open a new entry box if you don't want it to. :-)


[quote]Instead I'd like it more to function as other Touchscreen phones, where the keyboard appears (and occupies) the lower half of the screen, allowing you to switch through fields on the upper half without going back and forth between different screens.[/quote]

You can already do all of that on the 5800 by using the mini-QWERTY keyboard. It does EXACTLY what you're asking for. :-)

Mini-QWERTY just pops up a little keyboard in the bottom half of the screen which stays there until you tell it to go away, with your text appearing in the original text entry area. You can even move the mini-QWERTY keyboard around the screen if you need to select something near the bottom of the screen (such as the options menus). Mini-QWERTY works pretty much like a small second window floating on top of the first.

You can also change text entry fields completely freely while using mini-QWERTY, you don't have to close or open anything. On top of that, it automatically changes to numerical mode if you select a number field.

There is a small extra text box within the mini-QWERTY keyboard, but in effect you can totally ignore it and just use the main screen for selecting text and fields.

The mini-QWERTY keyboard's keys are pretty small and most people would require a stylus to use them of course, but that's why there are the full-screen QWERTY and full-screen keypad as finger-friendly alternatives.

Incidentally, the handwriting input mode also works just like mini-QWERTY but uses a different input method (gestures instead of clicks).

Here's an image from the text entry tutorial to show what I mean:

[IMG]http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/images/features/nokia5800miniqwertyannotated.jpg[/IMG]


[quote]One of the reason I didn't change to 5800 is that I was confused by click and double-click in application navigator and in some applications, and unpredictable. Aren't you confused?[/quote]

The very first day I had the phone I was a bit thrown, but as others have said it's really no different to single and double clicks on desktop PC interfaces.

If you click once on an icon in Windows it just selects it, whereas if you click once on a button in Windows it activates it. That might be confusing if you've never used a PC operating system before, but it soon makes sense after you've used it for a short while.

The reasons for this mixture are exactly the same on both S60 and PC interfaces, because they're both focus-driven, they want to give you the option of selecting an object without activating it.

For example on the 5800 if you want to select a photo and then delete it from the Gallery without having to open it first, you can just click on it once and then click on the delete icon. It saves a LOT of time overall to have the interface give you this option.

I do take your point though that the first time you use it, it does seem weird to see this kind of focus interface on a touchscreen phone. An alternative non-focus method of letting people select something without activation might be what Nokia have on their internet tablets, where a single click activates something but holding down your finger/stylus brings up an options menu for the object without activating it. That works fairly well on the tablets, and I'd be happy to see that used on S60 too.
Stillwaters
Comment: i'm also using the 5800 everyday for the last 3 months and i'm very satisfied. i only have one problem and that is that i have some dirt under the display. one time i have even had a small hair under the screen which i had to get removed at a nokia repairshop. did anybody else experience this problem? and if so what's the reason for this? thanx
Unregistered
Comment: I don't know, but the new firmware v21, which has come to couple of different product codes, later to all, has made my phone more AWESOME! Check out the firmware update when it's available to you.

Paul
joeyfallon
Comment: @stillwaters
Could be to do with the problem with the case ... [url]www.tinyurl.ie/694[/url]
widehead
Comment: Great article.

However, anyone who subscribes to the Chris Moyles podcast clearly has some deep seated issues.

I mean, [I]come on![/I]
;)
P888
Comment: Yes! Predictive text input for all the other text entry options (with an option to switch it off or on) would be very highly appreciated! Nokia, please listen to us!
Unregistered
Comment: Recently upgraded firmware to the latest version, and noticed a massive improvement with the camera quality.. think I went from v11 to v20. Anyone else notice this?
paker
Comment: as far as i remember (perhaps some phones had it before?) the first phone witch had Lock-switch was SE S700. and after that SE P990.
Unregistered
Comment: My noticeable improvement to camera image quality came after I fiddled with white balance.
Unregistered
Comment: Great article, excellent compilation. Keep up the good work.

One feature I'd need on this phone would be scroll buttons. Touch screen and all is fine, but when I am reading a long piece of text, I'd prefer the option of pressing a button which is not on the screen to scroll down or up. In the 5800, this would be a perfect second job for the volume buttons. Does anyone know how to make the volume buttons on the side double up as scroll buttons?
Unregistered
Comment: So the Finnish Nokia fanboy blogger finds the 5800 to be surprisingly good. Who wouldda thunk it?
amrg
Comment: i had the last version of firmware, from the beginning i´ve troubles with my wireless, does any person has the same problem, i take out all securitys from my router, one is thomson the other one is linksys, and, zero, no navigation
Unregistered
Comment: I have this phone for over 2 months now, and in general im happy. BUT :

1) GPS lock is very slow compared to my blue tooth device. can take a few minutes.

2) Camera takes realy bad pics, even worse in low light. worse then my e70 which was preaty bad

3) if i get a call while using some apps the phone goes bonkers. the screen blanks and when i unlock it, it flickers and blanks again.

4) had a few crashes and lockups.

5) Text entry when using the full screen keyboard, is a pain, click on the text field, get the text window (one with lines like a pad) click again to open keyboard, type text click grean check to go back to text pad window click ok again to go back to original window. Why oh why do i need the text pad window ????

6) tiny scroll bar on screens

oh i have the 20 firmware if you are wondering.

still it dose all i need and want, and is better at it then any other phone i had. Hope nokia will imporve the touch interface in the next generations
Unregistered
Comment: Good review. And it's nice to see some of Tzer2's friends at the top of the story.

I always wondered what they looked like.
Unregistered
Comment: [quote=Unregistered;417484]So the Finnish Nokia fanboy blogger finds the 5800 to be surprisingly good. Who wouldda thunk it?[/quote]

I find it to be very good too but I wasn't surprised.

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