Comment: Hey Steve, Samir here. I rang 3 up and they should be getting the 6220 Classic on both Pay As You Go and Pay Monthly quite soon so you might want to put an update on your review. They don't know exactly when they are getting it because obviously they have to sort out their own firmware for the phone with extra apps etc. I've got a 6120 Classic and I am definitely going to get the 6220 after reading your review! :)

Comment: Looks good. I think I can live with a smaller screen so I am going to go down to the High Street and have a look. If the 6220 feels significantly smaller and more pocketable than my N95, I am going to change.

Comment: gr8 review as always

n in India n82's cheaper than 6220...........so the only plus vd get is FP2 if v buy 6220, otherwise n82's anyday better in terms of screen, build quality, grafix accel., n obv better looks

but i also want to try out the new FP2, what would you suggest ?

Comment: If this phone had N-Gage support and a 3.5mm jack, then I would have bought it already.

I want something like the N82, but in a smaller package. N82 is too big for my taste, and don't like the keypad either.

Comment: Its a very nice phone, but I might swap it for the E66 when it comes out.

Might be worth the sacrifice of cam (5mp to 3.2) for the build quality.

Dont suppose anyone knows if the 3.2 cams have macro mode?

I did want ASR as well, but neither phone has an accelerometer.

One thing - batterylife seems awful on my 6220 compared to my 6110. Even though the 6110 has a 650 battery, and the 6220 a 900.

I'll give it a few more charge cycles.

Comment: This looks like the most impressive s60 phone I've ever seen. In fact, up that screen to 2.4" and it looks damn near perfect.

I don't think WiFi would add anything to the phone for the target market and is just a support, cost and battery headache so I think it's a good decision in this case.

Incidentally, does anyone know if Nokia Maps covers the offshore (British) Islands like the IOM, Jersey, Scottish Western Isles etc. ?

Comment: Thinking of swapping my N95 for this, as I rarely use wifi. And love the small foam factor. I am getting fed up with having to charge up my N95-1 every day.
How does the battery life in the 6220 classic compare for a heav'ish user?

Comment: 6500 Slide has 2,5" tv-out as well.

Comment: The problem I see is pricing...

The n82/n95 has been out for a while now and therefore has plumented in price. For example you can get the n95 on contract for £20/month with 3.

The 6220 classic is £35 with o2.

Even if you buy simfree the n95/n82 can be had for about £150 - £200 and the 6220c will probably cost more initially.

6 months later maybe a different story but 6 months later we'll be looking at something else. I would rather have a n95/n82 than a 6220c.

Comment: That O2 price would make no sense. Paying over £500 on contract for something you can get SIM-free for £250? I'd expect to see this in the £15 to £20 a month bracket immediately.

Comment: I have to say, I cant see this appearing on a £15 a month contract.

£20 possibly, but I reckon £25 at least.

Hope Im wrong!

Comment: I think you may see it in the £20 area, but there'll probably be a small extra to pay (say £50)? Pricing is a big thing, but I would underline that it is currently at launch prices. The 6120 was similar in price at launch and can now be had for around £100 if you look carefully.

We've got more 6220 content coming in due course. It really is a remarkable phone.

Comment: I bought the 6220c yesterday from phones 4u. £25 a month on the orange network. I am wondering if you are right and in a few weeks the handset will be free on a £15 a month contract. And yes o2 are taking the **** at £35 a month.

The back of my handset in a matt black (rather than the shiny black on the 61200 so no fingerprints this time. Key pad in not as good as the 6210, but is ok. I only got ONE game marble canyon.

A few applications I bought for my 6120 ie. chess genius and world mate don't work on the 6220 (I'm not sure if this is to do with screen size); and the free Nokia 'conversation' won't work either.

The 6120 is light and compact and was ideal for me. The 6220 is also light but does not seem as compact. I wonder if the N78 would have been a better buy at only 11grams more. That was also on offer for £25 a month.

Comment: Im finding a lot of apps dont work. FP2 really isnt very backwards compatible.

But worldmate works, on mine at least. What version are you using?

Comment: [quote]In case you were wondering, an N-Gage client is absent, although I thishank it would make a lot of sense. I benchmarked the 6220 Classic using the processor-intensive game Oval Racer, and found games performance quite weak,[/quote]

The reference hardware for N-Gage is the N73, that's what the games are written for. The 6220 Classic is easily powerful enough to run all N-Gage games.

The whole point of N-Gage is to run on as many S60 phones as possible, not just the technically advanced ones, because userbase is the key thing for a gaming platform, it trumps all other factors. If you have a large and active userbase, then your gaming platform will be successful no matter what technology you use.

The only reasons the 6220 Classic wouldn't have N-Gage is because Nokia haven't finished the FP2 version of the client yet, it will take three months for any finished client to enter firmware, and even then Nokia may stupidly decide not to release the client for all the models they could.

I just don't understand where this idea comes from that technically advanced games systems are the most successful, because it just isn't true. Compare rival games systems from virtually any period, and it's almost always the technically INFERIOR system that triumphs: the Atari 2600, the NES, the PS2, the Nintendo Wii, the entire Game Boy series etc. It's probably because cheaper systems can be bought by more people, so their userbase tends to grow more quickly, which then attracts more third party support so the initial success snowballs.

Comment: "As with the N82 and N95 classic, sliding the mechanical lens protector across kick starts the Camera application, although the interface seems simplified a bit for this mass market phone, with all the fiddly exposure, ISO, sharpness (etc.) options removed. Probably just as well. Rafe says that this is because the 'full' camera application is Nseries-specific, the older Nseries camera app (which this is) has been passed back for inclusion in the baseline S60. "

The "fiddly" stuff are all present in the 6220c. Just go options-> customize toolbar. It wouldn't make sense to put a 5mp sensor and leave all settings to auto, correct? :D

Comment: Lets hope it does go down to £15 a month contract very soon otherwise it doesn't make much sense choosing this over their flagship n95 released 18 months ago (£20/month).

I think this is where Nokia has missed the boat. So many N95 and to some extent n82 users are looking for an upgrade and Nokia doesn't release anything new. You may think it's only for the tech savy who are interested but I'm not so sure. The n95 is a popular device and even people who don't know too much about technology will know if a phone is better than what they currently have. I think even this group don't find anything appealing for example the n96. This is why I'm thinking of going elsewhere such as the Samsung Omnia or HTC Touch Pro/Raphael. I'm not a fan of WinMo but will give it a bash as they seem to be the ones moving forward. Nokia on the other hand have stagnated and sitting on their laurels. Why couldn't Nokia realease a true successor to the n95 and stay way ahead of the market? e.g. optical zoom, better optics, higher MP, widescreen / higher resolution just to name a few. What's wrong with selling bucket loads to the tech savy or for those seeking upgrades?

Nokia phones of late has been the same phone/features repackaged in a different casing.

Comment: ""So what if Rafe and Steve don't buy a 6220 Classic? That's two more in the shops for the rest of humanity.""

Thought you guys got all your phones & software for free ;-)

Comment: [quote=Almost;383777]Lets hope it does go down to £15 a month contract very soon otherwise it doesn't make much sense choosing this over their flagship n95 released 18 months ago (£20/month).

I think this is where Nokia has missed the boat. So many N95 and to some extent n82 users are looking for an upgrade and Nokia doesn't release anything new. You may think it's only for the tech savy who are interested but I'm not so sure. The n95 is a popular device and even people who don't know too much about technology will know if a phone is better than what they currently have. I think even this group don't find anything appealing for example the n96. This is why I'm thinking of going elsewhere such as the Samsung Omnia or HTC Touch Pro/Raphael. I'm not a fan of WinMo but will give it a bash as they seem to be the ones moving forward. Nokia on the other hand have stagnated and sitting on their laurels. Why couldn't Nokia realease a true successor to the n95 and stay way ahead of the market? e.g. optical zoom, better optics, higher MP, widescreen / higher resolution just to name a few. What's wrong with selling bucket loads to the tech savy or for those seeking upgrades?

Nokia phones of late has been the same phone/features repackaged in a different casing.[/quote]

I agree to an extent, but the N95 in both versions is a big beast of a phone. I know quite a few who are wanting the same thing, in a smaller package.

I know of even more people that keep saying 'If only the 6220 had wifi'.

Personally, I think they should have done a version with the same form factor, but bigger screen (as Steve said it would fit) and wifi, and upped the cost accordingly. Call it the 6220 classic 'i'. Call it the the 6320. Either way, a lot of N95 users would have swapped.

And that the 6220 should have had an accelerometer, if need be sacrificing the TV out. ASR on the 6220 would get used a heck of a lot more than TV out I bet.

Myself, Im trying to get hold of a 6210N, and E66 to compare, since Im not convinced by the build quality of the 6220.

Comment: [quote=Unregistered;383776]The "fiddly" stuff are all present in the 6220c. Just go options-> customize toolbar. It wouldn't make sense to put a 5mp sensor and leave all settings to auto, correct? :D[/quote]

Nice spot - and thanks for the posting it here :)

[quote=Almost;383777]Lets hope it does go down to £15 a month contract very soon otherwise it doesn't make much sense choosing this over their flagship n95 released 18 months ago (£20/month).

I think this is where Nokia has missed the boat. So many N95 and to some extent n82 users are looking for an upgrade and Nokia doesn't release anything new. You may think it's only for the tech savy who are interested but I'm not so sure. The n95 is a popular device and even people who don't know too much about technology will know if a phone is better than what they currently have. I think even this group don't find anything appealing for example the n96. This is why I'm thinking of going elsewhere such as the Samsung Omnia or HTC Touch Pro/Raphael. I'm not a fan of WinMo but will give it a bash as they seem to be the ones moving forward. Nokia on the other hand have stagnated and sitting on their laurels. Why couldn't Nokia realease a true successor to the n95 and stay way ahead of the market? e.g. optical zoom, better optics, higher MP, widescreen / higher resolution just to name a few. What's wrong with selling bucket loads to the tech savy or for those seeking upgrades?

Nokia phones of late has been the same phone/features repackaged in a different casing.[/quote]

I think there'll be upgrade options from Nokia before too long. The N82 has only been out 7 months or so at most so I suspect people will be waiting a little longer to upgrade. N95 people - yeah fair enough.

[quote=Unregistered;383780]""So what if Rafe and Steve don't buy a 6220 Classic? That's two more in the shops for the rest of humanity.""

Thought you guys got all your phones & software for free ;-)[/quote]

Actually, despite what Steve wrote, I have bought myself an 6220 because I think it is a great phone and wanted to spend more time with it. We'll be using the one I bought to do more features over the next few months. If there's specific areas you want us to look at please let us know.

BTW for the majority of reviews we do these days I (well AAS) buys the phone in order to get it in a timely manner, although sometimes we do get loaned phones by PR (as such its quite unusual to get a free phone despite what people might think!).

Comment: [quote]Personally, I think they should have done a version with the same form factor, but bigger screen (as Steve said it would fit) and wifi, and upped the cost accordingly. Call it the 6220 classic 'i'. Call it the the 6320. Either way, a lot of N95 users would have swapped.[/quote]

Nokia doesn't want N95ers to get 6220, 6220 is for the mass market, to break away people frustrated with their motorolas, shamesungs and pony bricksons. Nokia would bring more candy for N95ers (which, ofcourse, would cost a lot more money too) like the upcoming N96. :D

Comment: True enough, I suppose we all think about what would best suit us.

The functionality of an N series, with the build quality of an E series, with the form factor of a 6xxx model....

Comment: Before potential users get to see the phone and price tag and become impressed, operators and retailers are buying the handsets from Nokia and setting the prices according to what they think people will pay. I really hope nobody (realistically, "as few people as possible") gives them money until the pricing comes down.

Comment: ATM, it is as expensive as the N82... so if you are buying a phone today, might want to look at the Black N82 1st...

wait a month, and this will be really cheap, specially when N96 is out!

Comment: I had this phone delivered on Monday, it was an upgrade on O2.

I really liked the size of the phone, the screen (though a little small for me) is really lovely, bright & clear. I also found the menu to be fast and intuitive. The camera was great too, loved the xenon flash.

However, I was really disappointed with the quality of the phone. I know the phone is built to a budget but for me I didn't feel like it would last 12 months. I know the phone tested in the review was not the final version but the one I had came direct from an operator. The sides of the phone creaked around the bottom third of the phone, around the kepad and the camera button. The back was also of disappointing quality, the battery cover didn't seem like it would last long if you regularily swap SIM's.

My 6220 is going back to O2, I know the phone is cheap and I don't mind a plasticky phone if its cheap. But I don't want a phone that is likely to crack on a small fall or in my pocket. I reckon it would take my 18 month old son about 10minutes to pull this phone apart.

My advice would be to get the N82 or N95 8GB if quality is important to you.